#anti tamlin stans

[unforgivenyunjin]

“Rhys wasn’t raped”

“Rhys wasn’t raped”

“Rhys wasn’t raped”

“Rhys wasn’t raped”

“Rhys wasn’t raped”

Rape is both emotional and physical abuse and anything that is not 100% consent is rape. Being forced to have sex with someone out of fear is rape. Being forced to have sex with someone for “benefits” such as going outside is rape. Being forced to have sex with someone to prove your loyalty to them is rape.

If you’re put in any sexual situation where you are forced to do things and not because you genuinely want to, that is rape. Rhys did not 100% consent to his “relationship” (if you could even call it that) with Amarantha. He literally talks about how he was suicidal for a while because of what was happening to him Under The Mountain but it was all consensual? He was just a sex worker?

Two of the most ridiculous points this person makes is one, saying rape isn’t emotional abuse. And two, insinuating that being a “sex worker” made everything that happened to Rhys completely fine.

Sex workers are taken advantage of all the time. That’s one of the most dangerous parts of it. Being a sex worker does not always equal to consenting to everything you do. It’s not this glamorous job where you’re just consenting to everything and having sex for the fun of it. Therefore slapping the term “sex worker” onto Rhys as a way to invalidate his decades of sexual abuse is nothing short of demented.

And rape is most definitely emotions abuse. A lot of the time rape is used to control someone as seen with Amarantha and Rhys. She wanted to punish him because his father killed her friend and she wanted to prove his loyalty to her. It was literally about breaking him down and that’s why he still has trauma from it. You can’t look at the mental scars Rhys has because of Amarantha and boldly claim that wasn’t rape. You can’t read him clearly saying “she made me fuck her” and boldly claim that it wasn’t rape.

This person is not a child so there’s no valid excuse for this mentality. It’s just blatant vile ignorance and a nasty soul.

[sserrafeim]

Do you know what’s really painful and sad?

When Tamlin comes to the HL meeting and he starts slut-shaming Feyre in front of everybody and she doesn’t say anything because she doesn’t care about what others say. She lets him run his mouth and he doesn’t stop until Rhysand momentarily takes away his ability to speak.

Here, Feyre is the one who shouldn’t have provoked him because she knows how he is. Not the other way around. Not that Tamlin should control his anger issues and stop acting like a child throwing a tantrum because Feyre didn’t choose him (that’s a whole 500+ years old male too). No, Feyre shouldn’t have provoked poor Tamlin, who can’t help but slut-shame the “love of his life” and belittle her in front of everyone present. The fact that some of you call him “iconic” for that too…

But the moment Feyre loses control because a domestic abuser is shit-talking her mate in front of her… Now she’s inexperienced, she should’ve controlled herself, she’s not ready to be a High Lady in charge of a whole court, she’s not educated enough, she’s acting like a child, she hurt LoA on purpose and on and on and on…

Some people in this fandom have a funny way of saying they’re a bunch of misogynistic pos who would go to great lengths to prove the innocence of their “misunderstood” male character and doing so very proudly… News flash: it’s not the flex you think it is.

P.S. if you’re going to say that Tamlin has a right for acting like that because Feyre “destroyed his court” I’ll need you to stop typing, take a deep breath and go read the first three books again because he did that to his court himself.

[certifiedfantasyreader]

Tampon: "There's no such thing as high-lady"

Rhys and Feyre:

[colorlesschristmastree]

“feyre’s an unreliable narrator because she says things that are blatantly untrue!!” and all of their examples are things they personally disagree with.

Yes Feyre’s narration is influenced by her personal opinion and perspective but acting like she’s lied about things is genuinely weird. You might disagree with her opinion on another characters behavior but that doesn’t make her a liar.

[kayla-2]

Even if you genuinely think tamlin is perfect and support him, I think you should be able to do it without mentioning feyre or trying to change the events to fit a narrative. Cause no matter what, he kidnapped and abused her. And if you want to explain his actions to gain sympathy for him, you have to first acknowledge and be truthful about what he did. Why even bring up his tramua if you can’t even say he was wrong? While trying to say it was Feyres fault and blaming the victim.

Love him all you want, it’s fictional, and Sarah hates him and repeatedly calls him an abuser so it don’t matter. But trying to make a 19-year-old human feyre somehow the villain doesn’t help and always sounds stupid and the reason the fandom still overwhelmingly hates him. Try explaining his action and why he deserves empathy without implicating a woman and spewing other misogynistic ideologies

[starnightxoxo]

Literally 🙄🙄. I swear this manchild is a mamas boy who'll blame you for everything and ask you to apologize.

Feyre: if you take me from my mate, I’ll destroy your court and everything you hold dear

Tamlin: takes Feyre from her mate

Feyre: destroys his court and everything he holds dear

Tamlin:

[lifeisabiscuit]

Somehow trauma is not an excuse when it comes to Nesta but when it comes to Feyre, it's "she's 19 and has trauma"

Somehow it's "Tamlin is an extremely old being and should know how to deal with his trauma" but when it comes to Rhysand (who is 38 yrs older than Tamlin) he's a poor sweet angel baby whose actions are excusable because trauma.

So which is it? Doesn't make much sense to me 🤷🏼‍♀️

[silverflameataraxia]

The IC want to hate how Tamlin treated Feyre after she saved Prythian, but yet they treat Nesta even worse after she just saved all worlds. They hate Tamlin for locking Feyre up, but yet they did the same to Nesta. They hate Tamlin for ignoring Feyre's well-being, but yet they do the same thing to Nesta. They hate Tamlin for letting Feyre become withdrawn, but yet Nesta is in an even worse emotional state in HOFAS because of them than Feyre was in ACOMAF.

The Night Court is to Nesta what the Spring Court was to Feyre. At some point, the Court of Dreamers need to realize that they're Nesta's Court of Nightmares.

[unforgivenyunjin]

“Feylin’s relationship failed because Feyre doesn’t know how to communicate”

Feylin’s relationship failed because Tamlin is aggressive, controlling, and almost killed his fiancé when she tried to communicate her feelings to him.

[feysandscourt]

With Rhys, she had a choice to be whoever she wanted to be and have his full support in whatever that may be.

With Tamlin, she was forced into his ideal image of how his wife should be, while completely neglecting her needs and wants in life!!!!

feyre w Tamlin: i don’t wanna be JUST a house wife. i want to be useful. I want to help. I want to fight. I want to train. I want to help our villages. I want to be involved in the meetings. I want to build relationships with our people.

Feyre w Rhys: Is high lady as well as his wife, did a small intimate wedding like she wanted. Is useful other than sitting beside a throne. Helps w planning for war. Fights against Hyberns attack in Velaris. Trains w Cassian almost everyday. Sits with Rhys and listens to their townspeople’s complains and find solutions. Is right there leading meeting with Rhysand and the IC. Opens a shop to help teach children to paint- connecting with them and their parents. Creating friends with the towns people. Connecting with the Widowed Shop Lady having a meaningful conversation with her. Having conversations with the townspeople as she walks through Velaris.

Fans after seeing Feyre attend parties and wear dresses w Rhys: oh well look what we have here she’s playing dress up blah blah blah

[littlefeltsparrow]

Schrödinger’s Feyre: Where Feyre is simultaneously a cunning and badass girlboss with a mind of steel and a fragile little lamb who doesn’t know any better. When they’re proud, she’s a skilled strategist and competent High Lady, but when it comes to facing the consequences of her actions and the implications of her power, suddenly she’s a little baby waddling through fairy land.

[certifiedfantasyreader]

Tamlin lunged for me over the few feet that remained. So fast—too fast—

I became mist and shadow.

I winnowed beyond his reach. The king let out a low laugh as Tamlin stumbled.

And went sprawling as Rhysand’s fist connected with his face.

....

Teamwork at it's finest 👌

[colorlesschristmastree]

Honestly whichever Elain week admin decided to create and enforce a rule excluding content featuring disgusting abusers from the series is a saint and I love them. The people who’re mad are just going to have to get over it, these people have relished in making everyone else uncomfortable and miserable for years now. Constantly inserting their backwards perception of the series into positive discussions about literally every single other character.

News flash: the general fandom is exhausted by you. They don’t want to engage with you. They don’t want to see your content. Elain week is going to continue on successful without your abusive awful favs being involved.

[feyrescourt]

I want to start off by saying that I agree with every point you made (I appreciate your points about what is not categorized as SA by Rhys anti’s for other characters while simultaneously calling Rhys an SAer for what happened UTM, btw!), but while people argue back and forth about this, I will state something that is canon:

Rhys is a character who was R-worded regularly for 50 years. Practically every single day, including the night anon is referencing….He was taken upstairs later that night and assaulted for showing “favoritism” to Feyre and protecting her from Amarantha’s wrath.

Tamlin’s inability to keep it in his pants, and his need to take control over Feyre, lead to the situation in which Rhys had to cover up his sloppy shit. Tamlin took the one chance he had alone with Feyre in weeks and tried to fuck her in a back closet…not talk to her, or see if she’s ok, no….tried to fuck her. Knowing damn well how dangerous that is for her, and himself. Rhys did what he did (and let me be clear here, he held onto her waist and kissed her) to reduce any and all harm that would come to Feyre in that moment if Amarantha saw her with Tamlin. Entertaining this argument for the sake of trying to pinpoint how Rhys is a bad person is completely null and void BECAUSE of the circumstance they were in that lead to the kiss. Feyre got annoyed with him, pushed him off, and then moved on from it because she didn’t see it as sexual violence from Rhys in that moment, or ever. And when Rhys explains everything later on, she doesn’t reflect on that moment and think of it as abuse.

As I mentioned previously, Rhys is a survivor and everyone knows this. But yet it’s very popular in this fandom to try to assassinate his character because of a fucking made up scenario in which the person (Feyre) did not experience the SA that’s being projected onto her!!! As readers, I think it’s important to critically engage with the stories we read, but painting Rhys as an SAer is not the intellectual conversation many may think it is, because he didn’t SA Feyre. In fact, it shows me that anyone who genuinely thinks this is not understanding what they’re reading, just regurgitating anti Rhys talking points that have been circulating online because everyone wants him to be evil now because he was mean to (insert their faves name here). Stop claiming one of the only characters in the series who is canonically an SA survivor, is an abuser. It’s sickening.

hey I'm an elriel girlie but your take on rhysand not doing anything wrong but helping feyre really rubbed me the wrong way, as a emergency room worker I can't tell you how many young girls come my way drugged and molested, and trust me not touching someone bellow the waist but touching them is assault, when a person touches you anywhere without your consent it is assault, how many times I've seen young girls denied justice just because they were drunk or they didn't touch private parts is disheartening, it is so disheartening watching adult women justify these actions even in fictiom

I love these books and rhysand and we can love him without justifying his actions.

Hey I'm sorry that my stance rubbed you the wrong way, regardless of what side of the ship war you're on. I'm sure you've seen some pretty heartbreaking cases from your occupation. I don't make a habit of discussing it on my blog but I've unfortunately also been a victim of SA in my life, so I understand where you are coming from.

People shouldn't touch others without their consent.

TW AHEAD: Talk of sexual abuse/assault below the cut

That being said - I still stand by what I personally consider as SA. The ultimate deciding factor is the victim, of course, because they're the one person that seeks justice.

In this situation, Feyre herself forgives Rhys for his actions under the mountain. She understood why Rhys was acting that way even during UTM. And it was shown multiple times that he did not touch her anywhere other than the waist and that one kiss - but even Feyre does not hold it against him. SJM clearly did not intend to have her MMC painted as a sexual abuser - so I don't know where this narrative came from. If Feyre/SJM don't consider SA - why would I?

Rhysand had her drink to forget the horrors Amarantha paraded in front of her every night. He painted her body so she would still know that nobody touched her without her consent.

That to me does not equate sexual abuse. Feyre knew what was happening - and she drank that wine every night. I'm not saying she shouldn't have or she willingly participated - but I'm saying she was not sexually abused by Rhysand.

I don't consider an abrupt kiss to get Amarantha's suspicions off Feyre/Tamlin an act of sexual abuse. Should Rhysand have done it ? Ideally no, but it's not an ideal situation that they were in. They were in life or death mode.

It would be one thing - and apologies if this might be triggering - if Rhysand was forcing himself on Feyre regularly -> that I would consider sexual assault, even if Feyre forgave him for it. That would've caused me to DNF the book.

But I don't consider ONE kiss under duress to be sexual assault. I don't consider touching her waist to be sexual assault either. And it's clear that's all he did.

Should he have done that? Ideally - no. But UTM wasn't exactly an ideal situation for anyone.

This is not a black and white case. There's plenty of moments where people in ACOTAR were touched by someone else against their will. Are they all cases of SA? Are we saying Nesta kicking Cassian in the balls was SA? Are we saying Tamlin touching Feyre was SA?

There are clear examples of SA in the books already. I don't need to comb through the books and consider every instance of someone touching another character without their explicit consent as SA. That's not the intended purpose of those scenes and I will choose to give SJM the benefit of doubt here.

Nobody is looking to ACOTAR as the literature that could influence how women are treated in the real world. The specific fictional scenario between Feyre & Rhys does not have any implications for what real women go through.

I personally don't consider someone touching my arms or waist as sexual assault. I understand other people might be uncomfortable with it and categorize it differently - but they have that right. In the end it comes down to the person. And in this scenario - even Feyre doesn't consider it SA. So neither do I.

[theegemini92]

I have seen the theories of Tamlin and Briar. I am sorry another human for Tamlin is nothing but a blow to him, he deserves someone who will be with him for centuries. He deserves a stronger female character too someone with abilities that could rival or surpass feyre. I’m sorry but this isn’t it. She needs to be what Tamlin wants and what she wants in him. He needs someone who will CALM HIS STORM. A gentle firm female who I pray to god has more Witts and comebacks than picking up a sword because it’s not just strong fighters that represent all females. Not just swords that bring down empires. Accross countries and nations women have destroyed empires not with picking up a sword but our witts, BRAINS, OUR INTELLECT.

[wallflowers-in-the-wind]

Love him or hate him at least Tamlin apologized, admitted what he did wrong, and tried to change for the better. His actions were to save his people and the one he loved. Tamlin also didn’t need to save Rhysand and Feyre but he did because despite everything they did he wanted her to be happy.

Tamlin is many things but a villain isn’t one of them.